Friday, November 02, 2007
Yawn... good morning

It's 7:45. I'm in the graduate library at school. Class doesn't start until 9am. But, you know LA traffic. Well, you might not know LA traffic, but if you did, then you would understand why I'm here so early.
I was thinking this morning about education. Once or twice I considered attending bible school. I'm glad I didn't and I'll tell you why. Everyone I know who has graduated from one of the UPCI endorsed Bible Colleges that has wanted to go on and do something besides being a full time minister has regretted going.
The real trouble, and what the schools will not tell you, is that they lack REAL accreditation. Every year that I go to GC I go to their section of booths and I ask, "are you accredited?" The reply is always either yes, or we're working on it. Flash to the people I know who receive degrees from aforementioned schools who decide they'd like to pursue an advanced degree somewhere other than Urshan Graduate Seminary. The scene goes something like this:
Admissions Counselor(AC): Okay, I see here you have a degree in theology. Where did you say you went to college?
Bible School Grad(BSG): "X". (Insert school here).
AC: Oh, I see. Well, we're going to have to require that you take 30 units of basic classes that you would have had to take at a real university before we'll consider accepting you.
BSG: Why?
AC: Your school isn't fully accredited.
BSG: They told me they were.
AC: I'm sorry. They're not accredited by an organization that we recognize.
That's more or less the story I get from most of the grads I know. The thing that really irks me is that the UPCI absolutely could put together a REAL university with REAL accreditation. There are enough people with Ph.D.s and M.A.s to put together a real staff at a central location. But, this would require a few things that are unlikely. The following are what I consider to be the biggest problems with doing this:
1) Putting together a real core cirriculum of courses that meet university accreditation standards. It means that you'd really have to have people teaching honest to God math, history, and English courses. Things like: statistics, literary criticism, and US History 1945-Present. These classes are just plain absent in the current bible school system.
2) Most, if not all, of the bible schools that are currently operating would have to close. The staff would have to draw from the current pool of Ph.D.s and M.A.s that currently run the existing schools.
3) I'll just ignore the fact that you'd have to convince all of the people who would become professors to move to wherever this school would be located.
4) You'd need a champion of the cause, one person, or a small group of people, willing do alot of heaving lifting and red tape cutting so that this could become a reality.
5) Egos would have to be left at the door. Let's just say that there's a reason that so many bible schools have been around for so long and leave it at that.
6) You would have to offer other real majors besides Theology, Musich, and Christian Eduation.
There's all kinds of other problems, like tution would have to be high enough to pay those running the school what they are worth, that I won't even go into. But, I'm really convinced that the benefits to our population would be immense. Other denominations have been doing this for hundreds of years. The Baptists have real colleges. The Catholics basically invented the University. We in the UPCI have an outdated system that needs to be fixed, and if it can't be fixed it needs to be abolished.
Some Baptist Colleges with ACTUAL accreditation: (Many with less than 5000 students.)
Anderson College
Baylor University
Belmont University
Blue Mountain College
Bluefield College
Boyce College
Brewton-Parker College
California Baptist University
Georgetown College
Some Catholic Universities: (With fewer than 7500 students)
Barry University Miami, FL Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Bellarmine University Louisville, KY Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Benedictine University Lisle, IL Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Canisius College Buffalo, NY Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Catholic University of America Washington, DC Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
College of St. Benedict / St. John's University Saint Joseph, MN Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
College of the Holy Cross Worcester, MA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Creighton University Omaha, NE Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Duquesne University Pittsburgh, PA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Fairfield University Fairfield, CT Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Fordham University Bronx, NY Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Gannon University Erie, PA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Gonzaga University Spokane, WA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Immaculata University Immaculata, PA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Iona College New Rochelle, NY Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
John Carroll University University Heights, OH Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
La Salle University Philadelphia, PA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Lewis University Romeoville, IL Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Loyola College in Maryland Baltimore, MD Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Loyola Marymount University Los Angeles, CA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
I was thinking this morning about education. Once or twice I considered attending bible school. I'm glad I didn't and I'll tell you why. Everyone I know who has graduated from one of the UPCI endorsed Bible Colleges that has wanted to go on and do something besides being a full time minister has regretted going.
The real trouble, and what the schools will not tell you, is that they lack REAL accreditation. Every year that I go to GC I go to their section of booths and I ask, "are you accredited?" The reply is always either yes, or we're working on it. Flash to the people I know who receive degrees from aforementioned schools who decide they'd like to pursue an advanced degree somewhere other than Urshan Graduate Seminary. The scene goes something like this:
Admissions Counselor(AC): Okay, I see here you have a degree in theology. Where did you say you went to college?
Bible School Grad(BSG): "X". (Insert school here).
AC: Oh, I see. Well, we're going to have to require that you take 30 units of basic classes that you would have had to take at a real university before we'll consider accepting you.
BSG: Why?
AC: Your school isn't fully accredited.
BSG: They told me they were.
AC: I'm sorry. They're not accredited by an organization that we recognize.
That's more or less the story I get from most of the grads I know. The thing that really irks me is that the UPCI absolutely could put together a REAL university with REAL accreditation. There are enough people with Ph.D.s and M.A.s to put together a real staff at a central location. But, this would require a few things that are unlikely. The following are what I consider to be the biggest problems with doing this:
1) Putting together a real core cirriculum of courses that meet university accreditation standards. It means that you'd really have to have people teaching honest to God math, history, and English courses. Things like: statistics, literary criticism, and US History 1945-Present. These classes are just plain absent in the current bible school system.
2) Most, if not all, of the bible schools that are currently operating would have to close. The staff would have to draw from the current pool of Ph.D.s and M.A.s that currently run the existing schools.
3) I'll just ignore the fact that you'd have to convince all of the people who would become professors to move to wherever this school would be located.
4) You'd need a champion of the cause, one person, or a small group of people, willing do alot of heaving lifting and red tape cutting so that this could become a reality.
5) Egos would have to be left at the door. Let's just say that there's a reason that so many bible schools have been around for so long and leave it at that.
6) You would have to offer other real majors besides Theology, Musich, and Christian Eduation.
There's all kinds of other problems, like tution would have to be high enough to pay those running the school what they are worth, that I won't even go into. But, I'm really convinced that the benefits to our population would be immense. Other denominations have been doing this for hundreds of years. The Baptists have real colleges. The Catholics basically invented the University. We in the UPCI have an outdated system that needs to be fixed, and if it can't be fixed it needs to be abolished.
Some Baptist Colleges with ACTUAL accreditation: (Many with less than 5000 students.)
Anderson College
Baylor University
Belmont University
Blue Mountain College
Bluefield College
Boyce College
Brewton-Parker College
California Baptist University
Georgetown College
Some Catholic Universities: (With fewer than 7500 students)
Barry University Miami, FL Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Bellarmine University Louisville, KY Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Benedictine University Lisle, IL Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Canisius College Buffalo, NY Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Catholic University of America Washington, DC Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
College of St. Benedict / St. John's University Saint Joseph, MN Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
College of the Holy Cross Worcester, MA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Creighton University Omaha, NE Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Duquesne University Pittsburgh, PA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Fairfield University Fairfield, CT Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Fordham University Bronx, NY Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Gannon University Erie, PA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Gonzaga University Spokane, WA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Immaculata University Immaculata, PA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Iona College New Rochelle, NY Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
John Carroll University University Heights, OH Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
La Salle University Philadelphia, PA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Lewis University Romeoville, IL Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Loyola College in Maryland Baltimore, MD Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Loyola Marymount University Los Angeles, CA Go to: Quick school profileGo to: School homepage
Labels: bible school, education, ranting, traffic
Thursday, November 01, 2007
Hi, and welcome to my life. Let's get controversial!

Hi. We haven't met. My name is Tim Burns. I am 26 years old. I grew up in St. Louis. I was in Bible Quizzing against Kent Kurry coached teams. Yeah, we won some of those quizzes too, Kent! I now live in Southern California. I am a graduate student at Loyola Marymount University (LMU). I'm a semester and half away from getting my M.A. in Philosophy. I also teach a Critical Thinking class in the philosophy department to undergrads at LMU. I have 20 students in my class, 19 freshmen and 1 sophomore. I'm currently in the process of applying for admission to the Ph.D. program at UC Riverside. I've sworn to myself that I will have my application done by the end of this month. So, between that, writing two papers for my Grad Seminars, and teaching I've got the most stressful month of my life ahead of me. (Just a side note my doctor says my blood pressure is about 150/100 right now, which I guess is high. I think it's the stress.)
But, enough about me, let's talk about you. Oh wait, this type of communication is inherently monologic. We can't talk. Only I can talk. If that's the case, then this could get ugly.
Along another line of thought, still introductory, I don't really know what to expect from this month. I guess you'll find me airing my griefs and expressing my opinions. I have alot of opinions on alot of subjects. Most of these views somehow end up being controversial. My political opinions lean pretty far to the "left" (whatever that means) of most of the people I know who would read 90&9. Want an example? I'm in favor of legalizing gay marriage. (Kent, I've got misgivings about this guy. Are you sure about this? Well, we can always change the locks.) My theological beliefs have been strongly influenced by a long stay at a Catholic university, encounters with Thomas Aquinas, and Latin American liberation theology. I will never forget a conversation I had with a certain Pastor, who shall remain nameless. I don't want to incriminate anyone. He told me, "There's too much political correctness in today's world, even in the church. In my opinion if you haven't offended someone at the end of your sermon you haven't done a good job." I took his opinion to heart, with a grain of salt.
I look forward to some interesting dialogue, again assuming that there's a way for you to respond to these. I don't know. Can you respond to these? I guess I should go check the 90&9 website.
Labels: gay marriage, stress, Tim Burns, welcome to my life
Wednesday, October 31, 2007
So long, farewell...
It's been fun guys - thanks for reading our posts throughout this month. We hope that we have encouraged, enlightened and perhaps even inspired you in some form or fashion.
We will definitely be in touch with those that have asked us for more details about being a Community Pastor. We are still putting our thoughts on paper with this new role, but will send something your way as soon as we can.
Thanks to Kent Curry for all of the wonderful opportunities he throws our way. =)
If you would like to stay in touch, my personal blog (one of several blogs for which I write) is Coffee Talk With Christie
Dan's personal blog (one of several for which he writes) is http://www.danponjican.blogspot.com
Questions, comments, concerns? Please feel free to E-mail!
We will definitely be in touch with those that have asked us for more details about being a Community Pastor. We are still putting our thoughts on paper with this new role, but will send something your way as soon as we can.
Thanks to Kent Curry for all of the wonderful opportunities he throws our way. =)
If you would like to stay in touch, my personal blog (one of several blogs for which I write) is Coffee Talk With Christie
Dan's personal blog (one of several for which he writes) is http://www.danponjican.blogspot.com
Questions, comments, concerns? Please feel free to E-mail!
Labels: christie ponjican, coffee talk with christie, dan ponjican
Tuesday, October 30, 2007
Do you ECYC?
Well, YOU should!
The NJ-DE District Youth Committee is rockin' it out this year!
You and your students MUST MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO ATTEND East Coast Youth Convention 2008.
Yeah, I know, there ARE tons of conferences out there, but this is THE ONE to put on your calendar - this year's theme is STRETCH - their speaker line-up is incredible - you are destined to leave this convention with greater ambition and practical teachings that will help you get the job done!
Click on the link below for more details:
http://www.eastcoastyc.org/
**
...On to my thought for the day:
For thou [art] my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me.
Psalm 31:3
It seems like God is really "leading" me these days.
I met with my boss a few moments ago. He asked me to begin a volunteer program for The Arts Council.
Okay, so if you have been reading our previous blogs - you know that this is part of what we are doing at Heavenview - creating volunteer opportunities for not only those who attend Heavenview but also for the community to "go to work" to help those in need.
It just seems like my two or three worlds are colliding - and all of them are pointing me in the same direction.
God has confirmed over and over again His plan for my life and each day it feels like He gives me a little extra nudge - to keep me encouraged.
Have a great one guys!
Tomorrow is our last day of blogging on ninetyandnine - we will miss all of our readers.
If you are interested in staying in touch or reading more of our personal blogs, you can.
I'll put links for these in tomorrow's post.
Questions, comments, concerns? Please feel free to E-mail!
The NJ-DE District Youth Committee is rockin' it out this year!
You and your students MUST MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO ATTEND East Coast Youth Convention 2008.
Yeah, I know, there ARE tons of conferences out there, but this is THE ONE to put on your calendar - this year's theme is STRETCH - their speaker line-up is incredible - you are destined to leave this convention with greater ambition and practical teachings that will help you get the job done!
Click on the link below for more details:
http://www.eastcoastyc.org/
**
...On to my thought for the day:
For thou [art] my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me.
Psalm 31:3
It seems like God is really "leading" me these days.
I met with my boss a few moments ago. He asked me to begin a volunteer program for The Arts Council.
Okay, so if you have been reading our previous blogs - you know that this is part of what we are doing at Heavenview - creating volunteer opportunities for not only those who attend Heavenview but also for the community to "go to work" to help those in need.
It just seems like my two or three worlds are colliding - and all of them are pointing me in the same direction.
God has confirmed over and over again His plan for my life and each day it feels like He gives me a little extra nudge - to keep me encouraged.
Have a great one guys!
Tomorrow is our last day of blogging on ninetyandnine - we will miss all of our readers.
If you are interested in staying in touch or reading more of our personal blogs, you can.
I'll put links for these in tomorrow's post.
Questions, comments, concerns? Please feel free to E-mail!
Labels: christie ponjican, dan ponjican, ecyc, guidance, lead
Monday, October 29, 2007
Calling all Students from Kent!
This is a shameless plug, I admit it!
Kelly Moss (used to be Flynn) and I are working together on creating a really cool experience in the way of a KENT Reunion - whether you attended the college or the academy, we want to see you there!
This will be held at General Conference 2008, in Greensboro, NC.
We are in the beginning stages of planning - but we hope to create/meet up at - a coffee bar after an evening service, then we hope to create/meet up at - a place for brunch after one of the afternoon services - we know that it is not likely for everyone to attend each event, so we wanted to give them a few options.
If you care to learn more, you can contact Kelly through her Myspace link: http://www.myspace.com/ransmom98 or you can contact me through my Myspace link: http://www.myspace.com/cponjican
If you attended Kent Christian Academy or College in Dover, DE - PLEASE plan to attend General Conference 2008 in Greensboro, NC! (at least long enough to meet up with your old classmates!)
Have a great week!!!
Christie
Questions, comments, concerns? Please feel free to E-mail!
Labels: christie ponjican, DE, Dover, Kelly Moss, Kent Christian Academy, Kent Christian College, Kent Reunion