Check it out!
The following free promotional tracks come from the PAVE: Never Will A Rock… project, released January, 2007. They are complete tracks for you to listen to and critique. So, here is what we would like you to do: download the tracks, listen, and then in the comments at the end of this blog, leave YOUR TAKE. If you think it is great, ok, bad, indifferent, cool, or “I think it needs…”, post a comment. In other words, we want EVERYONE to get in on the free music and opinion “fest.”
This is a first-time experiment on 90&9, and depending on the results, we might make free music and your thoughts a regular feature.
Downloads removed.
posted by The Pave at
Wednesday, August 15, 2007
20 Comments:
First, I think this is a great idea. This music didn't do anything for me. It wasn't bad, just not something I would put on my ipod.
I'm not a big fan of Jazz but I'm glad to have heard it. This is a grate way two find new artists, 90&9 keep up the good work.
I think offering free downloads is a good idea to foster discussion.
To be honest, from what I heard on the PAVE website, though the music and talent is of good quality, the style is very similar to what is already overabundant in A/P circles.
John, thanks for the input. How do you get Jazz out of the four tracks? What drew you to those conclusions?
Anon, your right, people come to 90&9 because of the level of discussion. You say, "from what you heard on the PAVE website." Did you listen to the 4 complete tracks you can download? Then, what do you mean by "style." Are you saying we have an overabundant amount of Praise and Worship and need more individualized forms of music? Or, are you saying this P&W sounds like all the other P&W with nothing to set it apart?
More cookie-cutter praise songs, repetition galore, tinny sounding keyboards and overall production lacking in bass, the male voice is clear but holds no excitement in it, but other than that, it's good run-of-the-mill worship stuff. Glad I only opened the file instead of downloading it.
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Wile clearly sacred music, the heavily syncopated rhythm, with intricate harmonies, orchestration and vocal parts and a strong brass sound suggest a large jazz influence. This is s commune stile in our churches and is not bad, just not my preference.
I am the original anonymous, not the second one.
Admittedly, I didn't listen to the entire songs that you had available for download, but thought that I got a good sampling of them from the portions of the same songs that are played on the PAVE website. I guess "style" was kind of vague. What I mean is that it's more (although, in my opinion, good quality) of what has already been done in A/P music circles. There was nothing distinguishing about PAVE P&W as compared to say, IBC P&W.
Original anon (don't be afraid to leave your name), Whew...thanks for the clarification and "laying it out there" respectfully. I knew the risks going in to something like this experiment, and my hope was that I would get comments like yours that would be honest, as well as your take on what might make it better. This is the only place I know that that someone can "ask for it." Hopefully, others will stick their chin out in offering their stuff for free, and some more folks will chime in with their opinion. AND for some reason I'm really glad you were not the "Glad I only opened the file instead of downloading it" person. Hahahahaha! Nice.
First I'd like to say how great I think the download idea is. Also, to all of the PAVE members, I know this takes a lot of guts to put your stuff out there and then sit back and take the criticism.
With that said, the music wasn't my taste. I'm more of a contemporary P&W kinda person. I'm into more rock, acoustic, David Crowder kinda music.
As for production, it sounded good to me. However it does have the tin-can, cookie cutter A/P sound. And I don't mean that in a bad way. Different people like different styles of music. I just happen not to like that style.
And I quote:
More cookie-cutter praise songs, repetition galore, tinny sounding keyboards and overall production lacking in bass, the male voice is clear but holds no excitement in it, but other than that, it's good run-of-the-mill worship stuff. Glad I only opened the file instead of downloading it.
Not a bad critique for what amounts one unoriginal colloquialism, four uninformed assessments, one tepid admission, and a single backhanded compliment cloaked in an anonymous, self-serving near-death experience.
This is purely me talking (and I do not speak for PAVE here), but hit-and runs annoy me, especially with a nameless driver.
-R
I'll Say...
Wow! FREE Music to download that is awesome!!! It has GREAT quality. Awesome vocals. Sweet Guitar and Sax. I love it...
I bought your CD and I was very pleased. Are you going to have another project?
It is interesting how someone can come to a verdict of what they thought of a song from the 30 second clip on (www.thepave.net).
I encourage you to listen to the whole song...you wont be disapointed.
Free music downloads is a great way for both The PAVE and Ninety and Nine to get their names out.
I have to disagree with John because I don't think that the four downloads made available by The PAVE would be placed in the Jazz genre. Praise Capable, I Will Praise Him Myself, High Praises and He Is Great are all original songs and are praise and worship songs.
It is hard for a group to "get out there" if they are doing praise and worship music because these songs are sang in church worship services.
I also don’t think that someone can form an accurate opinion based on listening to a thirty second clip of the song.
The music is great, glorifies God and The PAVE is anointed. What more can you ask for?
Kim,
Thanks. Ironically, we were trying to strike against the sound of the typical AP project, not the P&W genre. That is why we went with an LA studio and producers that are more influenced by, again ironically, 70's rock. Hence the fusion of the guitar, B3 organ, and the tinny sounding keyboard (being facetious on the last one...tinny sounding comes from the 80's, all the keyboard sounds you hear purposely avoided those "keyboard in a cave" sounds). I think what your saying as cookie cutter is the "churchy" sound, and I'm good with that. Our goal was to stay within the confines of the church and at the same time stretch what that means with the guitar work. And your right, there isn't much acoustic stuff. I would like your opinion of what is "contemporary vs. rock."
Thanks for the free downloads! What an incredible idea! From what I have heard, the music of this album lives up to the title "Never Will A Rock." What I mean is, the project is the first PAVE has put together and all of the tunes have continuity. For example, each song either presents a tone of praise or worship and doesn't go off into left field somewhere with a song about nothingless - unlike some AP music I've listened to. This CD has a "feel" to it. If you put it in your stereo, you know what your going to get. AND, each song is ORIGINAL, not some remake of an old classic, or some Apostolic rendition of something that is on the secular market. PAVE has laid something on the table for other users to grab and emulate without having to worry if their newly found content is offensive or edgy. This music is (and don't get me wrong when I say this) SAFE yet unique (and by SAFE I mean you can worship to it anywhere, anytime, and with anyone). I'm sorry, but you cannot classify it as "cookie cutter" because you cannot just go to any church and say to the lead musician, "Um, yes I'll be singing Never Will A Rock in three flats," and expect them to pick out the chords. This stuff has some of the best individualism in its genre, not to mention the brilliant Mark McAllister writing all of the chord progressions. It has personality, and that classifies it as one of a kind. Now, I play trombone at my local assembly and have played since the sixth grade. I have been in one recording and played for jazz, marching, and concert bands. Sooo, I can honestly say that this music is NOT jazz music. Where is the brass section in PAVE??? Does a saxaphone lic make it jazz??? Truthfully, this music is in a class of its own (is it classical, contemporary, modern, country? - I know, but I had to say it, after all there is a guitar in it). If anything, it's closer to modern, but being that it's ANNOINTED (HELLO) I would like to step out there on a limb and put it in the "Extreme Apostolic Worship" genre. How's that - like it?
So to improve the next album, may I suggest adding a little brass (yes, trombone)? That would be a nice adjustment.
Toodles - Jeremy
OK, my turn.
I, for one find this to be a little too "metal" (head-banging for me...) JUST KIDDING!
As far as I'm concerned this doesn't fall into the "cookie-cutter" style at all. And jazz??? Wow, I must have heard some strange jazz in my day, 'cuz this don't fit.
I find it refreshing that someone has shown some guts in adding guitar, with distortion no less, and made p&w music that just about anyone can listen to and feel something.
OK. That's enough for now. Time to read some more of the Book of Mark...
Aufwiedersehn,
The Lawn Mower Dude.
Some interesting comments here. Since I've purchased this CD and listened several times, it has ended up on my "listen frequently" pile. I was puzzled by an earlier comment about tinny-sounding keyboards and the male voice lacking excitement. I guess they didn't listen to Praise Capable! (or any of the tracks, in my opinion) One thing that I noticed from the start was the careful attention to pitch clarity - thank you, PAVE!! I think the album very much lived up to its title - and reflected the title. I'm loathe to use the term "praise and worship" as it's so over-used, but really, both are included here. So, PAVE did what they set out to do- who can argue with that? I challenge anyone to find musicians who could do better than what you hear here. I too, appreciated the original material and the AMAZING B-3 work! I'd like to see Mark McAllister's music venture into some areas that we don't see expressed enough in music. Issues like prayer, the blood, the cross and the new hot topic of "being the church to the world." From what I've heard so far, I think he definitely has the chops to do it! Godspeed!
Ann
Ann,
Proverbs 23:12 states, "Don't refuse to accept criticism; get all the help you can"(TLB). So, I will take the candidness, be it positive or negative. However, it is refreshing to hear you commenting on specifics, i.e. the vocals and pitch issues, the level of musicianship, the B-3 influence, the originality, the nature of the P&W genre, and THEN comment on what you would like to see in the future/ or what could further elevate us beyond where we are. That's cool, and I hope if this is ever done in the future for other willing participants, your approach becomes the ideal model.
KB
First of all, Brother Bradford, and Pave as a whole, has received criticism from the minute they decided to produce "the project" which they did not deserve by the way, so I am not surprised at all that they have decided to give free downloads to the public in spite of the criticism that was sure to follow. I did not download the tracks, however, due to the fact that I have listened to th whole project many time and memorized every word and every musical progression that they have created! This type of music is exactly the type of music that we need more and more of. Especially since most of the more modern music is getting worse and more corrupt as the years roll on! I, personally, love this music and I appreciate the vision that Brother Bradford and Brother Mcalister have shared with us! I am blessed because I get to listen to this music live almost every Sunday and it will never get old or "redundant" and become "like everything else" to me simply because of the fact that the men that wrote and produced this music were, and still are, anointed and are very much in submission to God and that should be exactly what we are looking for!
Stewart
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