Kid's Eat First?
There has been a lot of weighty topics floating around Notes in the past several weeks. I’ve cocked my head and said “hm..” more than once or twice. And in typical reflective fashion, my own brain has been the ‘lucky’ recipient of many brilliant replies! Without doubt, the neurons are firing. I thought I would tag into Ann’s recent post and tackle Dr. James Little’s thought-provoking question:
Are youth the only age group we are trying to attract?
The obvious answer is, No. But maybe yes? And is it OK to say yes? In the interest of stimulating great conversation, let me present a model that has influenced my own song-selection philosophy.
The Dinner Table Model
Ross Parsley serves as worship pastor at New Life Fellowship in Colorado Springs and is a dynamic worship leader, recording artist and teacher on worship. At IWI (International Worship Institute) several years ago he presented a model for cross-generational worship which equated our worship offerings and musical selections with the “family table.”
Think about a dinner table in a home with children. (Tragic, but for some families, it’s hard to draw a mental image! But that’s conversation for a WHOLE OTHER blog!!) Everyone is welcome! Everyone is fed! The generations are well-represented. But, without a doubt, the conversation revolves around the kids. Just this week in my home, we’ve talked planets (Mercury, in particular!) and dogs and why sweet potatoes are orange. We’ve cleaned spills and wiped faces and given stern admonitions to “finish ALL your food.” Truth be told, I’d rather talk about a lot of other topics. But as nurturers in our home, my husband and I comprehend the simple truth that dinner is all about the kids.
Pizza again?
We even simplify our meal choices! Healthy servings of green beans, salad, meat, and potatoes often find their way into our menu. Honestly, the kids just aren't going to appreciate Thai food like we will!
Ross Parsely suggests that the weekly worship service is to the church what the dinner table is to the family. In these moments, it is OK and in order for the mode of communication to be centered around the preferences of the kids. The older people understand and even delight in the simplistic, joyful expressions of their young. Out of a posture of maturity, they support the growth and learning that is taking place. It doesn’t dismiss the need for “intelligent” conversation, nor does it deny the need for maturing that will surely come to a healthy child. But it gives a platform or entry point where the young are celebrated.
This model really rocked my world. How beautiful to be part of a healthy church where the older embrace the younger, and the younger respect the older for their willingness to put personal preferences aside. It really does sound like… aha… the body of Christ!
I am a big proponent of cross-generational worship. I have never thrown out the hymns. In fact, just this past Wednesday we sang a “He Looked Beyond My Faults and Saw My Needs” in honor of the great Dottie Rambo. (I attended her memorial service on Monday… whew! A whole topic for another post!) It was a moving song selection and ministered in a poignant way.
But I must take accountability, just as the pastor does, for the natural progress of babies from milk to meat. And, if our weekend worship services are defined as our entry point into church culture, then I should present music that is dynamic and meaningful to the young. And those who are mature in spirit will rejoice and understand that, like the dinner table, it really is “all about the kids.”
Are youth the only age group we are trying to attract?
The obvious answer is, No. But maybe yes? And is it OK to say yes? In the interest of stimulating great conversation, let me present a model that has influenced my own song-selection philosophy.
The Dinner Table Model
Ross Parsley serves as worship pastor at New Life Fellowship in Colorado Springs and is a dynamic worship leader, recording artist and teacher on worship. At IWI (International Worship Institute) several years ago he presented a model for cross-generational worship which equated our worship offerings and musical selections with the “family table.”
Think about a dinner table in a home with children. (Tragic, but for some families, it’s hard to draw a mental image! But that’s conversation for a WHOLE OTHER blog!!) Everyone is welcome! Everyone is fed! The generations are well-represented. But, without a doubt, the conversation revolves around the kids. Just this week in my home, we’ve talked planets (Mercury, in particular!) and dogs and why sweet potatoes are orange. We’ve cleaned spills and wiped faces and given stern admonitions to “finish ALL your food.” Truth be told, I’d rather talk about a lot of other topics. But as nurturers in our home, my husband and I comprehend the simple truth that dinner is all about the kids.
Pizza again?
We even simplify our meal choices! Healthy servings of green beans, salad, meat, and potatoes often find their way into our menu. Honestly, the kids just aren't going to appreciate Thai food like we will!
Ross Parsely suggests that the weekly worship service is to the church what the dinner table is to the family. In these moments, it is OK and in order for the mode of communication to be centered around the preferences of the kids. The older people understand and even delight in the simplistic, joyful expressions of their young. Out of a posture of maturity, they support the growth and learning that is taking place. It doesn’t dismiss the need for “intelligent” conversation, nor does it deny the need for maturing that will surely come to a healthy child. But it gives a platform or entry point where the young are celebrated.
This model really rocked my world. How beautiful to be part of a healthy church where the older embrace the younger, and the younger respect the older for their willingness to put personal preferences aside. It really does sound like… aha… the body of Christ!
I am a big proponent of cross-generational worship. I have never thrown out the hymns. In fact, just this past Wednesday we sang a “He Looked Beyond My Faults and Saw My Needs” in honor of the great Dottie Rambo. (I attended her memorial service on Monday… whew! A whole topic for another post!) It was a moving song selection and ministered in a poignant way.
But I must take accountability, just as the pastor does, for the natural progress of babies from milk to meat. And, if our weekend worship services are defined as our entry point into church culture, then I should present music that is dynamic and meaningful to the young. And those who are mature in spirit will rejoice and understand that, like the dinner table, it really is “all about the kids.”


11 Comments:
Laura,
This is a good illustration and I understand the point - it holds a lot of truth. But the question that comes to my mind is: why, when you ask olders saints (or even "new" olders saints) about music they nearly ALWAYS say something about missing "their" songs? This is such a hot button topic, I know. I just don't understand why we can't include "hymns", or whatever you want to call them, EVERY service - not just during special occasions or when someone like Dottie Rambo dies? Are we so afraid that we'll offend some young person by singing a single hymn?
Don't get me wrong - I completely get your point and illustration, but I just can't keep from coming back to the same questions.
AA
I wonder how many requests for music of prior generations are tied to the simple emotion of nostalgia! If this is the case, then we are embracing a lot of emotional "pressure" which shouldn't be ours to bear. When we allow people to remain in their comfort zone we ease the responsibility they have to "sing a new song."
It's just like the married couple who always loves to hear "their song." Saints love to revisit the music that defines their most powerful encounter with God. This is not a bad thing, but we must challenge people to see their tendency to limit God to the past.
I think that we forget that singing a new song is as much about a fresh attitude towards God as it is about song selection. Every generation should be continually renewed in the presence of God, encountering him new each time they enter the House of God.
Just so you don't think I'm all about doing "new and cool"... I approach this debate from the stance that I already encorporate hymns regularly! I am actually sad to think that you feel the weight of having to justify the use of an older chorus or hymn.
Be encouraged... some of that is the "bubble" of a Bible College environment (I know AND relate!) But in the "real world" of a congregation, a good leader has the healthy balance of blending the comfortable with the edgy, and the old with the new. Of course, I am in a church that is 64 years old in its history. The definition of "comfortable" would be very different in an urban church plant environment.
Take care, Ann!
On the "comfort zone" issue, I would say this applies to "youth" who don't like to sing hymns. Wouldn't you agree?
I know what you mean about the the Bible College "bubble." But when I think about this, I don't even count Gateway in the mix. And that's simply because it's ALL youth here. But I'm coming at it from a church setting. Sometimes it just feels like we are doing the elders a "favor" by singing their songs. And why not sing songs that remind us of our first encounter with God? I don't really think that's resisting change. I watch the elderly in my church and they DO sing the new songs, they stand, they worship, they clap, etc. But what makes me so hardheaded about this is the times I see their faces light up when we pull out "Heaven's Jubilee" or some other song that really speaks to them. I think we have to have balance and speak EVERYONE'S language.
AA
Ann,
I don't think we do the elders a "favor" when we sing their songs. I think we do ourselves a favor =).
I do hear your frustration that many people throw out a token "old" song in a patronizing manner.
Some people don't appreciate older hymns because, honestly, they don't have the mental fortitude to absorb and comprehend the language. They'd rather sing a trite song that repeats the first line three times... etc...
But there are others who are being drawn to modern worship for the same reason that we may love a hymn... because it has more substance of lyric, and seems to speak to the soul more than a seemingly redundant "Pentecostal chorus" of the 80's.
If this is their motive, then their "argument" is worth hearing.
I hope no one takes offense at my use of the word Pentecostal chorus. I mean no harm!
Ann,
I don't think we do the elders a "favor" when we sing their songs. I think we do ourselves a favor =).
I do hear your frustration that many people throw out a token "old" song in a patronizing manner.
Some people don't appreciate older hymns because, honestly, they don't have the mental fortitude to absorb and comprehend the language. They'd rather sing a trite song that repeats the first line three times... etc...
But there are others who are being drawn to modern worship for the same reason that we may love a hymn... because it has more substance of lyric, and seems to speak to the soul more than a seemingly redundant "Pentecostal chorus" of the 80's.
If this is their motive, then their "argument" is worth hearing.
I hope no one takes offense at my use of the word Pentecostal chorus. I mean no harm!
Laura,
You're absolutely right on the "substance issue." What a shame that we have to "think" about what we're singing! (note the sarcasm....!) But on the flip-side, I also agree that there are many new songs that have so much substance, that quote from scripture (Chris Tomlin's "Indescribable" comes to mind.)
Maybe my problem is that I just LOVE old people and think we often forget that, even though they've been around the spiritual "block," they still have needs and feelings. I wouldn't want the music I love avoided, so I don't expect them to, either.
AA
A couple of Sundays ago, our video projector decided to take a break. (I love the use of words projected onto the wall, but I could go on for a minute about people who use the need to read the words in place of worshiping). In panic, I suppose, my Pastor sends a couple of people to the foyer of the church, where we have (for who knows what reason) old songbooks awaiting their demise at the next church bonfire. (only kidding).
I thought it was interesting that one of the comments mentioned having the "mental fortitude to absorb and comprehend the language". As I go back to that Sunday in my mind, I can see the raised hands of worshipers coming down. The faces of people lost in love for God turned into looks of, "There are four verses to this song, and I don't understand even one of them."
This could be an entire conversation in itself, but for some reason, when you come to God, you are supposed to abandon the common language for a "more spiritual" Elizabethan / Olde English / KJV language. Why can't we sing songs that we don't have to think about what they mean, but we know what they mean because it's exactly how we feel in our hearts. (And on that note, why can't we read the Bible and understand what it's saying?) It also seems to be the trend that when you come to God, you lose all musical preference and taste to one style...either black gospel or southern gospel.
I thought the initial post was very good. No, we are not forgetting the old folks, but we are not going back in time. Time moves forward. Always. Why isn't the church? Why are we still stuck on songs that were written in the thirties? The church should be on the cutting edge, and relate to our generation.
So it is stated that young people don't have the "mental fortitude" to understands songs written seventy, sixty, fifty, fourty years ago...do the older saints not have the ability to understand after so many years of serving God, "How Great is our God / Sing with me / How Great is our God / And All will sing..." The new convert who just received the Holy Spirit a week ago can understand this. The saint who has faithfully walked with God for fifty years can understand this. And even more, they can sing it from their heart.
You know, scripture never says anywhere to sing an old song to the Lord. Can't we honor tradition and our heritage without having to embrace the music of our past? What is so sacred about the music of our past? Should we also embrace old hairstyles so that the elderly in our congregations can get the "ah" look on their face? How about driving old cars? What is our motivation? How far are we willing to go with all of this? The elderly are moving forward in their lives..can't we do that too?
Furthermore, we are never going to please every person in our congregations with our musical selections. There are more genres than there is time. Our purpose, as I understand it, is to worship God and encourage others to do the same. If we are trying to engage those who are new in Christ, we must sing music that they relate to. If we are to represent every musical style since the beginning of time, we are all going to fail miserably. That is what Music Appreciation classes are for. The main focus of our music in a church setting is for worship.
Very good points from anonymous. The purpose is to worship God...or to please God, not other people.
My hackles have been raised by a couple sentiments late in this thread. Laura's initial post was well-written, well-argued. I appreciate her respect for and her exhortation on the need for multi-generational inclusive worship.
To argue against some later threads... we simply cannot ignore the music of our elders. It does them a disservice and it does us a disservice. (See my post, above, on the rationale behind needing to sing hymns).
No, the Bible doesn't say "sing an old song." But the Psalmist did exhort us to "sing ye praises with understanding." If people are not able to understand the words in the hymnal, I don't think it has to do with the song, but rather, the person doing the reading. We can't cater exclusively to a generation raised on texting and Google. You will simply see them walk out the door to the next new thing.
I can also guarantee you that a great many of the songs we sing are over 2500 years old. Sure, we don't sing them the way the Hebrews during David or Solomon's reigns sang them. And we surely don't sing them the same way that Jesus or the Apostles did. But we are singing the same words. I could go on and start a rant, but I'm done for now. My hackles have been lowered sufficiently for me to stop. Sorry to have let that get under my skin!
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