01 July 2007

Apostolic movement: pretentious, intimidated or neither?


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Let's get this straight

There are some people with whom I choose not to discuss literature. These people typically fall into one of two camps which I label: 1.) the pretentious and 2.) the intimidated. The pretentious folk are those who wield book titles or philosophies like battle axes and reference authors in order to stop conversation. The intimidated are those who view book titles or philosophies like battle axes and so will stop conversation if authors are referenced. The conversation stoppage is key in both cases for why I avoid these conversations in the first place.

Questions I have for the pretentious and intimidated

If I begin to suspect that I've found myself in conversation with one of these kinds of folks, I have a list of questions I pose which, ironically, are the same for both the pretentious and intimidated:

1.) What happens if you don't know everything?
2.) What does it mean if there are people who are more intelligent or well-read than you?
3.) Why are you feeling the need to prove anything to me?

Confession

There are times I have to ask these questions of myself, and what I've noticed about my own tendencies is that for whatever reason around Apostolic folk (vast generalization here), I am more likely to fall into the pretentious mode. At least part of the reason for this is an underlying belief I have that Apostolics should be better read than they generally are. This belief of mine is more accurately represented in the statement that people in general should be better read than they are, but as this blog is supposed to be centered on literature and the Apostolic movement, I'll specify.

What is "better read" (the word "read" used here rhymes with the color)?

Mortimer J. Adler wrote an excellent tome entitled "How to Read a Book" (if you haven't read it yet, try to find an audio recording, har har). In it he cogently explains the difference between being widely read and being well-read. He likens this difference to the difference between information and enlightenment. "To be informed is to know simply that something is the case. To be enlightened is to know, in addition, what it is all about: why it is the case, what its connections are with other facts, in what respects it is the same, in what respects it is different, and so forth." He goes on to explain that the beauty of enlightenment from a book is that "If you ask a book a question, you must answer it yourself...When you question it, it answers you only to the extent that you do the work of thinking and analysis for yourself." Furthermore, it should be noted that not all books are created equal to the task of teaching us just as not all teachers are equally equipped to teach.

Wait! So, why should Apostolics be better read?

Well, the Bible is a book and to be a poor reader of it is to be a very poor Christian indeed. Furthermore, if the only teaching you ever receive is from live persons (aka NOT from reading the Bible) then you've short-changed yourself in the enlightenment department because you've never asked your questions of the text itself. This statement requires an important caveat: remember that if you are doing the work of thinking and analyzing for yourself, you better be a good thinker and analyzer. Hence the need to read more and better quality literature. Reading is an art and thus it requires practice in various genres and styles, but always from the best teachers (aka books) that can be found. Your understanding can only be increased if there is an "initial inequality of understanding" which you, the reader, "must be able to overcome in some degree." (Quotes are more from Adler--everything so far is in the first chapter!) In short, Apostolics should be better read so that they can better read the Bible, increase their understanding of it and thus be better Christians.

Whoa! Are you saying that if I don't read the books deemed "quality" by you then I'm not being a good Christian?

Almost. If you are not reading books that are deemed quality (not just by me but by time and scholarship--click the link above), you are not going to be as good a Christian as you can be because you will never demand from the Bible all that you can get in terms of understanding.

Disagree?

I'm totally open to someone disagreeing with my stringent stance. In fact, to be honest, I'm hoping someone will! I'll even give you a hint about where you can start...there is an underlying assumption in all that I've said that something (I'm not telling you everything!) is an unqualified good. If that thing is not an unqualified good, then my line of reasoning is suspect. You may find other holes in it as well. Or you just might agree whole-heartedly! In any case, what's your take on the Apostolic movement's relation to literature?

11 Comments:

Anonymous Tina bo bina said...

Sadly, I agree with this. I am hard-pressed to find well-read Apostolics in my area.

In fact, I have a friend that is an English major like me, and I just drink in my conversations with her, like a sickly person who's been out in the desert too long, in desperate need of water.

Furthermore, I think that many Apostolics think that we should only be reading "Christian" books, and that if we're reading secular books, then we're not acting as spiritual as we should. I find as much enrichment in many of the secular books, as the Christian ones. In fact, the seculars ones, have done well to broaden my pespective on concepts I'm unfamiliar with, or may not necessarily agree with. Furthermore, I think it re-establishes my stance in my beliefs in God. That's just me though.

Good blog!

July 2, 2007 2:16 AM  
Anonymous Ellie N. said...

Your categories of pretentious and intimidated could be enhanced by the addition of clueless and completely indifferent. The clueless read so little that they have no notion how intimidated they should be. The completely indifferent are just ....well, ..you get the picture.

Oh, I wanted to add that there is such a one among these blogger ranks who totally fits in the pretentious category....Total lit snob...Can you guess who it is?

July 2, 2007 11:49 AM  
Blogger Marjorie said...

Tina bo bina:

Keep checking in with this blog and you will find you are not nearly as alone as you might think! God gave us a brain that needs to be activated as part of our spiritual walk.

Ellie N.:

If you're calling me (Marjorie) a lit snob, I guess I'd have to agree since I don't think all literature is created equal; however, if you are suggesting that I am the pretentious one then I would take exception on the grounds of my own definition. Or did you mean someone else?

July 2, 2007 3:34 PM  
Blogger Alison said...

Well said, Tina! I agree with you and with Marjorie that reading widely has helped me as a Christian. I don't know that I'd go so far as to say that someone can't be the best Christian they can be without reading good literature. I know quite a few people who don't read much great literature other than the Bible, but I am in awe of their Christian walk. Still, as I said, reading books is the way I learn best, so I follow that path.

It also works the other way: understanding the Bible informs your understanding of the Western classics, since so many were influenced by the KJV. Allusions any reader would have recognized up till the 20th century are missed today unless you have some knowledge of Bible stories. If you do, it's pretty cool to realize how much classic literature is influenced by God's Word!

July 2, 2007 6:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bravo Marj!

Paul quotes from the Cretan poet Epimenides in Acts 17:28 and Titus 1:12, from the Cilician poet Aratus in Acts 17:28, and from the Athenian poet Menander in 1 Corinthians 15:33.

Now if Paul was well-read and used his knowledge of philosophy and literature for personal evangelism (e.g., Acts 17), why shouldn’t Pentecostals follow his example?

We only limit ourselves when we starve our brains.

Kevin

July 2, 2007 7:27 PM  
Anonymous Tina bo bina said...

Ok, question here...if this concept can be used in literature...then why is it not then able to be extended to music? I know listening to "worldly" music isn't acceptable, and in many instances, very founded. However, there are some secular musicians that are very inspirational, and simply pleasant to listen to, without having that worldly influence. For example, we all know some old (secular) songs from when we were younger that weren't bad, didn't use fowl language, didn't talk about explicit things, and usually were just cute love songs. What is wrong with these type songs, if, of course, they aren't the only sort being listened to. Why can't there be a healthy mix of both, just as we have a healthy mix of both Spiritual and secular literature?

I might be out on this limb all by myself, but I was simply wondering what you all thought. :|

July 2, 2007 11:50 PM  
Blogger Ron Giesecke said...

It wasn't until I actually read Darwin's "Origin of the Species" that I was able to formulate an interesting debate point when defending my Creationist--or as it were--"Intelligent Design" beliefs. And that argument is, that by today's Darwinistic standards, even Darwin wouldn't be a Darwinist. He never pursues a rabid, non-God formula. Just the sychophants who quote him.

-R

July 3, 2007 10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tina,

The problem with forbidding “worldly” music is that we must (a) define what worldly is, and (b) articulate what is innately wrong with such music.

In addition, those opposing worldly music may want to read the Bible before they stand on their soapbox. For example, the Song of Solomon is lyric poetry celebrating sex. While there are multitudes of allegorical interpretations on the Song of Solomon, it is still primarily celebrating sex. It is lyric poetry with a series of antiphonal remarks provided by the “daughters of Jerusalem.”

Kevin

July 3, 2007 12:32 PM  
Blogger Marjorie said...

Allison:
You are absolutely right to point out that being well-read works both ways (re: KJV). As for those you know who are not well-read but have strong spiritual walks--unfortunately, I've set up parameters for an unwinnable argument because how could you know that their spiritual walks wouldn't even be stronger if they started honing their reading skills? Also, if they did start reading and their spiritual walk faltered, I could always fall back on the fact that they did not become well-read so much as widely read. But that all said, I do agree with you that people can have strong spritual walks without being well-read--my question is: is it the best of all possible Christian walks (Leibniz would argue yes and I am susceptible to his argumentation!)?

Ron:
Awesome! You have pinpointed perhaps the best case in point for why people should read books for themselves! As you eloquently put it: Darwin is not a Darwinist according to Origin of the Species!

Tina:
I defer my speculation to our sister blog: Notes. You should definitely pose your query to them.

Thanks all for your good comments.

P.S. Kevin--I love you!

July 3, 2007 2:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to hear some of this chicken music that Tina writes about!
jane

July 4, 2007 11:29 AM  
Anonymous Tina bo bina said...

Jane:

If you're referring to my misuse of the word foul (fowl as I so inaptly referenced it) all I can attribute it to is it being 2am, and my insomiatic tendencies. ;)

Kevin:

I can see how some would deem certain music (being demeaning to other people or being overtly explicit) to be inappropriate for Christians to be listening to, however, I do agree with you that excluding everything that isn't considered "Christian" seems a bit other the top.

Marjorie:

Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I wasn't looking to get into an indepth debate about it, I was just wondering what others thought from a literary stance. It seemed to correlate with what we were discussing. I'm done now! :D

July 4, 2007 3:42 PM  

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